Goku vs Frieza

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Goku vs Frieza
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2016, 04:42 PM (2,513 Views)
+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 04:42 PM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	This is a debate I've seen people having on this forum on several topics so I thought I'd make a separate versus for it. Base Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super vs Frieza 100% Full Power. Who wins?
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Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 05:29 PM Post #2
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Didn't beerus state that Goku couldn't beat Frieza ? I'm inclined to give it to Frieza.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 05:33 PM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Notaka Jun 17 2016, 05:29 PM Didn't beerus state that Goku couldn't beat Frieza ? I'm inclined to give it to Frieza. Yeah he did. I agree that Frieza should win this.
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+ Solid Snake	Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Post #4
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza?
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Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 05:50 PM Post #6
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Base Goku was suppressed during his first meeting with Beerus. Besides, Beerus was there to see SSJ. He was playfully teasing Goku to power up. Goku stomps Freeza's head inside out. I have him no weaker than 16 at this point.



+ Solid Snake	Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM Post #7
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)?
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 06:40 PM Post #8
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)? Of course not and neither could a base saiyan.
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Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 06:42 PM Post #9
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 06:40 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)? Of course not and neither could a base saiyan. Base Trunks and Goten fighting in a restricted costume suggest otherwise. Why even make this topic if you're set in stone that Freeza > Base Saiyans?



+ Pyrus	Jun 17 2016, 06:45 PM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The reasoning some people use to dismiss base Goku being suppressed is that instead of contradicting Beerus' claim, Goku instead transformed. It's similar to the base Vegetto situation in the anime where instead of calling out Boo for making a false claim, Vegetto went Super Saiyan.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 07:04 PM Post #11
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 06:42 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 06:40 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)? Of course not and neither could a base saiyan. Base Trunks and Goten fighting in a restricted costume suggest otherwise. Why even make this topic if you're set in stone that Freeza > Base Saiyans? Do you really think Android 18 was fighting at full power? Nothing proves it and at first she thought she was fighting a human, she's not going to go all out on a human. And their moves were super unpredictable because there were two of them attacking.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 17 2016, 07:10 PM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:04 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 06:42 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 06:40 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)? Of course not and neither could a base saiyan. Base Trunks and Goten fighting in a restricted costume suggest otherwise. Why even make this topic if you're set in stone that Freeza > Base Saiyans? Do you really think Android 18 was fighting at full power? Nothing proves it and at first she thought she was fighting a human, she's not going to go all out on a human. And their moves were super unpredictable because there were two of them attacking. Trunks was the only one fighting in the manga. Goten was dead weight because he couldn't see and couldn't attack.
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Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 07:10 PM Post #13
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	There's no proof a base saiyan is stronger than #18. Like Bardock said, She wasn't fighting at full power, and their fighting style was unpredictable. Also, I'm not sure if this is BoG only, but Beerus spotted Goku hiding in King Kai's house. He later inspects him and later says Frieza would beat you. It's not like he stood still and watched Goku, then said:"Yeah, this guy wouldn't be able to defeat Frieza" So, no. Super states that Base Frieza > Goku. I could see Goku giving a tough fight to Frieza but then lose.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:17 PM Post #14
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	What evidence is there that she could hold back to the exact level that Trunks was fighting at? She had trouble suppressing her power in the first place, so the idea that she could suppress it with such precision a few chapters down the line is ludicrous. Furthermore, if she was skilled enough to do that, why didn't she just increase her power a tiny bit more and knock/ring out Mighty Mask?



Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 07:19 PM Post #15
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:04 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 06:42 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 06:40 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 06:09 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 05:48 PM Solid Snake Jun 17 2016, 05:41 PM Goku was suppress, no way Frieza not fighting on par with base Saiyans (particularly the kids). Unless Frieza magically gotten stronger till he was revived the saga afterwards. Why is it unreasonable for his base to be weaker than Frieza? Do you think Frieza can beat Lazuli or Lapis (18 or 17)? Of course not and neither could a base saiyan. Base Trunks and Goten fighting in a restricted costume suggest otherwise. Why even make this topic if you're set in stone that Freeza > Base Saiyans? Do you really think Android 18 was fighting at full power? Nothing proves it and at first she thought she was fighting a human, she's not going to go all out on a human. And their moves were super unpredictable because there were two of them attacking. She can't sense ki. Do you really think she is precise enough to guess what level she needs to suppress to have a close fight. Edit: Ninja'd. Edited by Slifer, Jun 17 2016, 07:19 PM.



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